In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Father Haskell said...
> On Feb 15, 4:47 am, "St. Jackanapes" <***@nowhere.org> wrote:
> > Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Father Haskell said...
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> > > So why are so many astronomers atheists?
> > Because they are busy looking up at something much more
> > important than their own assholes.
> > There is one exception that I'm aware of, however. I was
> > humoring my long-time friend that I've known since we were 5th
> > graders in 1966 - he'd fallen into the Christian trap in the
> > 80's. I was an atheist all my life. But we'd both go to the bar
> > and have a good time debating religion. He asked me if I'd go
> > with him to a big event being held up on the OSU campus. It was
> > called the Veritas Forums (LOL!)
> > Most of it was unmemorable and immediately forgotten, but my
> > friend had brought me to see one particular speaker. An
> > astronomer. My friend knew how much I read and knew about the
> > sciences, and how I used science to disprove his religion's
> > wacky ideas.
> > So he thought that if I heard this man of science, a real
> > astronomer, who used real science and real mathematics to prove
> > that life could only have come to earth via a deity, and not via
> > panspermia, which was my belief. And still is.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
> > This "man of science" is named Hugh Ross. I just looked him up
> > and see that he now is billing himself as a creationist. Maybe
> > he wasn't getting enough billings by calling himself a scientist
> > and astronomer with the nut case crowd.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Ross_(creationist)
> > This clown had my friend spellbound by his mathematical
> > "proofs" from his own "observations & calculations" that showed
> > that *beyond any doubt* that of all the stars in all of the
> > Milky Way - *and* all of the stars in the other galaxies could
> > not possibly have planets ion orbit around them. He laid a thick
> > line of smoke, mirrors and bullshit that I couldn't follow, but
> > if you just listened to him, you'd think that he was right.
> Take those args a step further, and our own star should
> not have planets around it, unless you dump in a
> big, steaming pile of special pleading.
That's exactly what this Dr. Ross did during his lecture. God
doesn't give a rat's ass about all of the other 99.999999999% of
the entire and unimaginably massive universe that must have
really worn his ass out creating, but only cares about this
unimpressive backwater minor star and it's tenacious life. No,
not it's life - but just the speaking apes that inhabit one of
the lumps of rock that spin around it...Parts that were supposed
to be part of that star but just hadn't spun into it yet.
> > I have to drop my jeans to be able to count to 21, so you know
> > that I'm severely lacking in mathematical skills. But when I
> > watched this dolt trying to prove that none of the stars in the
> > Universe could have planets except our sun by using odds, I knew
> > that the guy was throwing out a huge line of hooey.
> > I'm not sure of the exact number, but since I saw him tell that
> > lie in circa 1993, there have been more than 90 planets
> > discovered around stars in the Milky Way. So much for his
> > calculations - and very telling why he now calls himself a
> > creationist instead of a scientist as he did in the 90's.
> Wouldn't be surprised if almost all stars had planets. Seems
> like all you have to do is look long and close enough with a
> large enough telescope and spectrometer.
The Universe, as harsh and unfriendly to life as it appears to
us, is the thing that gave birth to life. As Hubble shows us
what is out there, it's the same pattern over & over. Mostly
spiral galaxies fill the universe - within them are starts with
planets spinning around. The Universe gave life it's chemistry
framework to build upon, and gave it the energy fuels it needed
so that it could grow and be innovative so that it could survive
in the most unfriendly and harshest environments that it may
find itself in.
This life wasn't snapped into existence by a cosmic thumb &
finger. It's taken time beyond our comprehension to get Life's
basic framework to the point where life is so liquid and elastic
that it can grow and flourish anywhere it finds even the basic
necessities to reproduce.
When I look at all life on this planet, from the tube-worms
living down in the deep ocean hot smokers where light never can
be, I see life that can change itself from a sunlight-only form
to a chemical-only form. And the body shapes from insects,
reptiles, mammals, whatever, all follow some simple structures
of form in their bodies and how they feed, reproduce, and
process their energy requirements.
If life had started here on this planet - and no where else in
the Universe, I seriously doubt that it would be so variable,
advanced, tenacious, and hardy. Life must have carried along
with it a special code that would allow it to adapt to whatever
ecosystem that it may find itself upon.
Looking back at the lifeforms that were on their way to world
conquest before the various mass extinction events, it appears
to me that they weren't much different than the forms that came
after. That makes me think that life has a certain code it
follows that direct it's evolution.
To try and argue that some invisible omnipotent being was bored
and lonely one day, so he created a race of little people to
amuse himself with. Little people created in his image, but
without his powers, that he would visit in forms such as burning
bushes or a finger of lightening, all to instill terror and awe
in his little friends.
An omnipotent being that was so fucking fickle, mean and
sadistic that he had a perverse love of torturing his favorite
little pals - even the most loyal of them all, by torturing them
and slaying his family and children. This deity even created
another race of little people - or did he? - they worshiped
another god, despite God telling his little pals that there
weren't any other gods. Obviously God created this distinct race
of little people just so his chosen little pals could perform
genocide and be as sick, murderous, sadistic, hateful, and even
baby killers just like their creator and torturer, God.
Am I the only person on this planet who sees the Universe this
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